Well, there's a reason that in our culture, we grew up and absorb all of the human system side that we use without even questioning or thinking of it, that they didn't come to us as inventions. And if we look back upon other cultures who don't have the idea of progress and laugh at them, all we have to is turn and look at that and realize our culture yet hasn't gotten the perception that that part of it is open for pro progress and changed.

We more or less resist the change and say, oh, I'll be damn, if I't let that computer make me change. And if it's so smart, it ought to do it for me. And it's totally missing the point in my install agency.

Well, people look at the mouths and say, geez, it wants to do all that, or the key set's even worse, but that's all I can think of as part of the culture and the biggest challenge that that's ahead for us if we want to make progress in this is to start affecting the perceptions that people have about what the potential is there and looking for change. and finding out a rational way to do the evolution so it doesn't break us apart, and I just love to get in the dialogue of people in about the strategies for that evolution Well, there's a reason that in our culture, we grew up and absorb all of the human system side that we use without even questioning or thinking of it, that they didn't come to us as inventions. And if we look back upon other cultures who don't have the idea of progress and laugh at them, all we have to is turn and look at that and realize our culture yet hasn't gotten the perception that that part of it is open for pro progress and changed. We more or less resist the change and say, oh, I'll be damn, if I't let that computer make me change. And if it's so smart, it ought to do it for me. And it's totally missing the point in my install agency. Well, people look at the mouths and say, geez, it wants to do all that, or the key set's even worse, but that's all I can think of as part of the culture and the biggest challenge that that's ahead for us if we want to make progress in this is to start affecting the perceptions that people have about what the potential is there and looking for change. and finding out a rational way to do the evolution so it doesn't break us apart, and I just love to get in the dialogue of people in about the strategies for that evolution

Whenever you hear somebody say it's gotta be easy to learn and natural to use, put up a little flag and go question it, because what's natural, see, is that natural way to to guide a vehicle is with rains.

Well, that lasted a long time. No, what's natural is someway a balanced that you can grow up in a culture and learn. And if you look at how much it took to learn to drive automobiles and own and operate them like that, it' make it just make ridiculous the things people talk now what they expect, your computer system's learning to cost you.

And uh if it's gonna be the kind of working companion that it's bound to be that the learning part of it is relatively trivial and uh I know it's what sells now because the market isn't very mature for people to buy things that that look like they're gonna be hard to learn. But I'm talking about the long term trends and the responsibility of people that are in there doing the research and downturn down downstream planning. I think they really have to start looking for what kind of high performance can you get from these things and what are the candidates in here to change so that you can harness more effectively?

Displaying a picture of the first key set, keyboard and mouse on a table in front of a television screen Joseph Carl Robnett Licklider and I uh disagree on quite a few things. My framework is just different. See, I looked there and say, well we't want to detach keyboard and we really want to fix it so what you're gonna look at is positions so it's best to place to see it, and the controls you're gonna do to control what the computer does to that, where it's best to have those located, and don't get caught in an unachronism ? of saying, because we got used to paper and pencil and that technology that we ought to be able to have our controls right on the surfaces that saying we're working on. So, it may end up that way, best, but don't make an a prior assumption, so we didn't and we we worked this way, and let me tell you a little bit about this, too.

It's a terribly, terribly difficult thing to use. See, so, one of the things that you say, if you want to explain to somebody why it would make a difference if you can do things faster, and I struggled those days much of that struggle was mentally about 4:30 in the morning, because I must be crazy to be going through all this, you know, everyone thinks I'm nuts, maybe I am So I'm thought one morning, hey, I keep trying to tell them it'll make a change to go faster, just speed will. Well, and they can't quite see why. Well, what if I show them a pen tapped to a brick and actually have them write like that? Because it's only a matter of happenstance that the scale of our body and our tools and such lets us ride as fast as we can. What if that were it was that slow and tedious to do it? and a person doesn't have to work that way very long before he'd start to realize that our our academic work, our books, are a great deal would change in our world. If that's how hard it had been to write. All right, so what if you speed it up? So right, the key setter just one way, and it's an option, and it hits characters when you